divide things up into categories as a means of counting them 5. QUESTIONING DETERMINISM: There's a lot of debate about this. a lot of study pays attention to surface thought For example in French of Spanish you say, How goes you? " Whereas we say how are you?” i. Does this mean that the french and spanish are more movement oriented and English speakers are static? Is that significant? How to you make sure these categories matter, and it is just not a consequence of how they express things? b. Whorf just looked at the language, there was no study done to see how much this actually correlated to the cultures thought i. There were no studies of how these people thought about time or color ii. This model doesnt allow people to think against the grain of language c. Also, people can learn these languages, so it is not an impossible world or mindset to enter. They are not so radically set apar d. When Whorf wrote about the Hopi, not many Hopi people had training in linguistics, so they couldnt challenge his assumptions More recently, a Hopi speaker did become a linguist and in his dissertation said that Whorf was full of it 1. He found 6 temporal terms in Hopi 2. Pointed out that the hopi do have many ways to indicate e. It's not often that people get it as wrong as Whorf got it, but it does happen. There are major scandals all the time 6. SIMILARITIES AND DIFFERENCES: Recent research indicates that color terms are not so variable after all a. After studying the color terms of many different cultures, the researchers concluded that the boundaries of the colors are not regular, but the core areas that the color terms describe are very regular i. Some cultures only recognize three colors, but if they only recognize three colors those colors will always be black white and red i1. If they recognize four colors, the fourth color will be one of a small number of sources ii1. If they recognized seven or eight, you can predict what they will iv. There's a kind of order world wide that people have in recognizing color 1. QUESTION: How do cultures with only three color terms Indicate green or brown? 2. ANSWER: Some cultures that live in the forest have no term for green, because it's so ubiquitous. They might havedivide things up into categories as a means of counting them. 5. QUESTIONING DETERMINISM: There’s a lot of debate about this. A lot of study pays attention to surface thought. a. For example in French of Spanish you say, “How goes you?” Whereas we say “how are you?” i. Does this mean that the French and Spanish are more movement oriented and English speakers are static? Is that significant? ii. How to you make sure these categories matter, and it is just not a consequence of how they express things? b. Whorf just looked at the language, there was no study done to see how much this actually correlated to the cultures thought. i. There were no studies of how these people thought about time or color. ii. This model doesn’t allow people to think against the grain of language. c. Also, people can learn these languages, so it is not an impossible world or mindset to enter. They are not so radically set apart. d. When Whorf wrote about the Hopi, not many Hopi people had training in linguistics, so they couldn’t challenge his assumptions. i. More recently, a Hopi speaker did become a linguist and in his dissertation said that Whorf was full of it. 1. He found 6 temporal terms in Hopi 2. Pointed out that the Hopi do have many ways to indicate time. e. It’s not often that people get it as wrong as Whorf got it, but it does happen. There are major scandals all the time. 6. SIMILARITIES AND DIFFERENCES: Recent research indicates that color terms are not so variable after all. a. After studying the color terms of many different cultures, the researchers concluded that the boundaries of the colors are not regular, but the core areas that the color terms describe are very regular. i. Some cultures only recognize three colors, but if they only recognize three colors those colors will always be black white and red. ii. If they recognize four colors, the fourth color will be one of a small number of sources. iii. If they recognized seven or eight, you can predict what they will be. iv. There’s a kind of order world wide that people have in recognizing color. 1. QUESTION: How do cultures with only three color terms indicate green or brown? 2. ANSWER: Some cultures that live in the forest have no term for green, because it’s so ubiquitous. They might have